Pastor John MacArthur preaches at Grace Community Church in Los Angeles. Sadly so. An unknown man clad in black confronted Grace Community Church pastor John MacArthur during service on Sunday, Aug. av. But anyone who writes on my blog and brings such serious accusations is going to have to provide evidence, and you will be challenged. He is a ministry collaborator with TDJakes health and wealth and modalist ministry, he collaborates with Joel Osteens humanistic ministry and with Brian Hustons new wave prophecy ministry. I am happy though if you wish to withdraw your initial comments. | Screenshot: YouTube/Grace to You Prominent pastor and theologian John MacArthur has come under fire after a video resurfaced of him taking issue with the idea of "religious freedom," with some Christian speakers debating whether his comments were taken out of context. I would be tempted to add, Because youre worth it! There is no legalism or self-righteous pride in anything I said. [19] He is one of the most prominent voices in American Christianity against the continuationist beliefs of Pentecostalism and the Charismatic Movement, which assert that God continues to confer sign gifts today. IMHO he totally manipulated the emotions of his audience and used the scriptures in an inappropriate way. Its a nasty wee trick to try and shut someone up by complaining that they always try and have the last word if they reply then of course you are proved right and can feel self-justified. John MacArthur is the pastor-teacher of Grace Community Church, as well as an author, conference speaker, chancellor of The Master's University and Seminary, and featured teacher with the Grace to You media ministry. John MacArthur, the pastor of California's Grace Community Church, delivers a sermon to his congregation, January 2021. Los Angeles County had sued the church and its pastor, John MacArthur, last August after officials said he had he opened the church and held a large indoor worship service with unmasked attendees . Because he is a pastor? In 1969, after graduating from Talbot Theological Seminary, John came to Grace Community Church. All rights reserved. Your email address will not be published. He did not say Timothy Keller is an anti-Christian preacher. People make millions selling sex, playing sports and funny you never hear the news say that is wrong. From a spiritual standpoint its an even bigger (and opposite) no-brainer! "In a recent sermon given by Steven Furtick of Elevation Church around Christmas 2016, Furtick continues to demonstrate that John Macarthur is right in his assessment that Furtick is indeed 'unqualified to be a pastor by not . Were deeply grateful for that. It never occurs to me for a second to not fulfill it. But I find it astonishing that you cite it here in a massive church (and smaller churches) there are bound to be people who are sex abusers and the church will not always handle that well. ", "What is dispensationalism? John MacArthur is the pastor of Grace Community Church in SunValley, California, a neighborhood in Los Angeles. PS Im a huge Chandler fan over here. Im not rich at all but Im also not jealous of someone who has far more people and more money. I fail to see where the legalism is in any of my comments. Wendy Guay's friend, Lisa Ward, was a witness to an attempted abuse by Paul against herself and his own daughter back in 1979. By the way I got your recommended book. I will reply to them briefly. Your comment about owning churches is actually ban on the mark. One such person who has joined the ranks of GTY is Cameron Buettel, author . Its just name calling which again results in self-justification and does not really contribute to any discussion. That would indeed be ridiculous, but it is not my position and it is therefore wrong of you to argue as though it were. One of the victims (Eileen Gray) in particular was shamed publically in front of the congregation by MacArthur for divorcing a David Gray who later was convicted of aggravated child molestation, corporal injury to a child, and child abuse. (2Tim. MacArthur told church members ahead of his sermon that many people contracted COVID and it probably went through our church in maybe December or January. The pastor said he and his wife, Patricia, enjoyed our own bout with COVID for about a week and a half.. [13] In 1985, MacArthur was made President of Los Angeles Baptist College, now The Master's University, a four-year Christian liberal-arts college. You Wouldnt Be Dashing Him And Family And God House Stop being jealous Stop Counting The Heads In The Church And Start Counting Youre Blessing We Still Have A universe To Stand On And spreading the message good God And Getting People Ready For Whats About To Come..Btw Are You Ready For When God Comes? The great thing about the Village Church is that they recognised that they had not handled it well and apologised. MacArthur also refused to enforce mask and social distancing guidelines for congregants. He's got a long history as a respected evangelical theologian and preacher, but has made headlines more often in recent months for illegally flouting COVID-19 . Then you will remember your evil ways and your wicked deeds, and you will loathe yourselves for your sins and detestable practices. Cameron Buettel, Grace To You, Hillsong, Jeremiah Johnson, music, worship. But, thank God, I have been able to study the bible for 50 years and, although I acknowledge that I have probably only scratched the surface of the riches of His grace, I do not recognise Furticks message as balanced and biblical. Whether you are a legalist or not I dont know. From an economic standpoint, thats a no brainer. You were rightthat was not very mature. Jenna Ellis,the churchs attorney,tweeted about the settlement. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. He is currently the chancellor emeritus of The Master's University in . However, I was somewhat alarmed by the endorsement of Matt Chandler as a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived. 5) Yes the legalism one still stands. I would urge you to reread the comments by G White and your own responses to them before prayerfully replying. Here is Kate Shellnut: Last year, Hohn Cho concluded Grace Community Church had made a mistake. If you were not speaking about Chandler then why write it here? He has misgivings about Neo-Calvinism and he gave his reasons for those misgivings. John Fea | February 10, 2023 1 Comment. (Genaro Molina / Los Angeles Times via Getty Images), Even as the pastor was sick, the church elder remained upbeat, adding, "Its pretty pretty amazing we have guys with sermons in their Bibles wherever you go and so Mikes going to be here.". Can I suggest a little more humility? 3) There is no point 3) other than it is a demonstration of your setting up a straw man in the hope you will have something to argue against. They drift from church to church. It is also grossly unfair (and dishonest) for you to misrepresent my position as making some pastors untouchable. It is sometimes quite difficult to know how to answer you because of the way in which you misrepresent what is being said. [12], MacArthur's daily radio and television program, Grace to You, now broadcast throughout much of the world, was created by the Grace media team to publicize audio cassettes of sermons; in 1977, it was first broadcast in Baltimore, Maryland. Can we in the UK stop copying these kind of churches? https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=vvjMUrPUfC4&app=desktop. 1) There is only One only speaks the truth and it aint Steven Furtick. [14] In 1986, he was made President of the new Master's Seminary. Theres clearly no transparency or accountability at Elevation Church! But again I explained why I chose Dallas. MacArthur 12 having been Jul 25, 2017 - Explore Rhonda Johnson's board "Elevation Church", followed . ", Grace Community Church parishioners make their way to Sunday service in Sun Valley on Sept. 13, 2020. [18] He believes that scripture is inerrant and infallible because it is "the Word of God" and that God cannot lie. It was neither juicy nor gossip. Given that you were speaking in the context of my remarks about Chandler, your comments were clearly a warning about him and a warning that his teaching was like a slow growing cancer. Are you happy with its $130 million campus rebuilding campaign? . You are aware of them as you demonstrated when writing about Mr Furtick. New Artificial Intelligence Program ChatGPT Generates Concern: A Liberal Bias? As a southern Christian (in North Carolina), Im truly thankful you posted one of Alistair Beggs videos to show the contrast between Truth presented with integrity and intellegence, and the slick mass market Charlotte speed preaching thats become hip with mega church crowds. Yea not Steve but the ones who bash or become busy bodies against him. This submission to Jesus as Lord when converting to faith in Jesus Christ became known to Arminians as the Lordship salvation controversy in the 1980s. Also available on most smart TVs and streaming services. Hardly the same as Furticks message! Please check your information and try again or call us at 1-800-759-0700. What a waste of a fantastic talent. I made no comment on how Matt Chandler lives as a Christian.you didyou declared I was somewhat alarmed by the endorsement of Matt Chandler as a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived.. Why shouldnt he? Again as an author who is tempted to mention or quote from my couple of books in every sermon, I sympathise. Williams has more than misgivings about neo-Calvinism (as he calls it to call Piper, Keller and the Proclamation Trust neo-Calvinists is just silly). Since then I have occasionally listened to a sermon, read articles and heard news programes, and watched as this Southern Baptist church has grown to a reported 20,000 plus. So it wasnt all bad. Its not loving, judgemental, take the beam out of your own eye, it aint wrong to be rich, youre just jealous, hypocrite. I know of individuals who actually talk openly about having a church!!! MacArthur responded, "Go home." MacArthur has written three books on the subject. Why would you equate Chandler with Furtick, but First is ok? yes it was dishonest of you to misrepresent my position as some pastors are untouchable. L.A. County has reportedly spent nearly $1 million in attorneys fees and other costs since the legal battle with Grace Community Church began. I wonder if you thought the same and you told me that in order to come across as thinking that you mentioned one which you thought was ok/good. Help us continue to be a voice for truth in the media by supporting CBN News for as little as $1. It was interesting and revealing to hear about their work. Your reference to Isis was, in my opinion, ill-judged given recent events. Stephen Furtick I just listened (lots of fast-forwarding) to a talk he gave at the New Spring church titled Sun Stand Still (which I think relates to one of his books). Even though it was only a couple of pounds I regret wasting the money. PS. Its not the unadulterated Word of God for our generation. David, you seem so eager to fire off your stock answers and insults that it sometimes appears that you havent properly read the comments first. Your other remarks continue to be provocative, misleading and snide and I wont grace them with a reply, other than to say that I have no need to retract any of my remarks, for the reasons already explained to you. 4) Its also not a good idea to claim that you know the motives of someone you dont know. Could you tell me the difference? It is not really a battle between science and the Bible. And if the thousands of baptisms represent thousands of people coming to Christ, how could one not rejoice? From 20052015, MacArthur made about $3.4 million in compensation from GTY and TMUS, for an average of about $320,000/year. Someone made a sermon jam of it which I posted on my FB page and all of us, who were not of a charismatic background, really had no idea what he was saying. There is nothing that makes me believe in God and the Gospel more than the church in all its beauty, and there is nothing makes me doubt more than the church in all its ugliness. ON the other hand you seem to be very quick to hand out your tongue lashing arrogance and childishness. Regards. Having said that I followed the mega church scene in the USA I was aware of what was going on in Dallas and in other places too. Do you still endorse it? [47] In August 2021, MacArthur told congregants that "many people" had contracted COVID-19 while it "went through" the church in December 2020 and January 2021, including both him and his wife. John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. (born June 19, 1939) is an American pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated radio program Grace to You. They are often more concerned about whether they like the music than they are about whether they are hearing the truth. You then accused me of muddying the waters by dropping in a bit of juicy gossip. including starting the Church Growth Movement which gave life to the pragmatism movement which as we know is so ubiquitous. Furtick preaches a different gospel. Stephen Furtick is his own brand and it seems it is a brand that sells well and pays well. The truth is whether it is a mega church pastor in the US, or a small church pastor in Scotland, it is not OUR church, it is HIS. In 2019, at the Truth Matters Conference, during another word association questionnaire, MacArthur was given the prompt "Beth Moore". I have no idea if you are particularly legalistic or not but the type of comments you were making, most certainly are. As for ES Williams book yes I have heard of it and read several reviews -Im afraid I wont be spending the 30 on a book which just seems to want to attack and tar everyone with the same brush. Despite concern from church members, Grace Community Church has assured the public that MacArthur is recovering and doing better. I want you to know that I am not doing this for your sake, declares the Sovereign Lord. Either way the theory that a pastor should be poor is ignorant. For me there is no doubt that some of Scotlands independent churches and ministries, need to be investigated re their finances..question is who does it? That is just nuts. Cho brought letters to the elders and MacArthur who ultimately told him he needed to "walk back" his findings if he wanted to remain an elder. Legal Statement. It is the Bible watered down by a mixture of Waltonesque homespun wisdom, pop psychology, stand up comedy and an unhealthy doze of how to missiology. [15], Nearly 43 years after beginning in the pulpit of Grace Community, MacArthur completed one of his own life goals,[2] that of preaching through the entire New Testament on June 5, 2011. He was unable to preach the second service. "[44], In 2020 and 2021, during the COVID-19 global crisis, MacArthur contravened orders from Los Angeles County public health officials regarding services at Grace Community Church, and insisted that no one from the church had become seriously ill, despite reports to the contrary. Matt Chandler is an excellent example of how the gospel should be preached I cant comment on his lifestyle because I dont know it do you? The digressive discussion of church trappings in some ways diminishes the toxic nature of this actual ministry content its danger isnt in size or wealth or me focus, it is in the false gospel it promotes he is not qualified to preach. So issuing a challenge to either support them or decry them is meaningless. I wasnt doing that either which a plain reading of the text will confirm. point taken). What if Joh MacArthur preached at Steven Furtick's church?Christian Music is Destroying Millions?great worship and sound doctrine.What's wrong with Elevation. lq mk Nevertheless, you continued to misrepresent what I had said, and you continue to do so, even after prayerfully sleeping on it. G White this is the mega church you are setting up as an example in opposition to Matt Chandler? [3] MacArthur has written or edited more than 150 books, most notably the MacArthur Study Bible, which has sold more than one million copies, receiving a Gold Medallion Book Award. Each person will answer to God for themselves. The reality is that you have a bunch of people who want pastors to be poor while they make fortunes off of fake news. In 1960, after a year off, he was accepted to the Free Methodist Churchs Los Angeles Pacific College, where in his senior year he observed two games of football, going on field once for one play (see 1962 yearbook statistics). I surrendered to a calling of God. 38, 31-32). Market data provided by Factset. 3. You equate him with the false teaching of Furtick and Elevation Church. Period. I found helpful most of what he said and disagreed with a few things. http://religionnews.com/2016/05/11/why-pastor-steven-furtick-skirts-scandalous-questions/. Have mercy! But like John Flavel I regard as a pretty close second the threat of disunity in the body of Christ not least that caused by those who go around unjustly and wrongly accusing others of false teaching. This was sourced through interviews with ex-Grace Community Church Elder Hohn Cho. When people are being led astray genuine believers must stand up challenge and expose. In October 2013, his church hosted a conference called "Strange Fire" to mark the launch of a book of the same name. MacArthur told her she needed to model for her children how to "suffer for Jesus" by enduring David's abuse. All I would say is that there was no irrational, ranting, preaching anywhere in it. Required fields are marked *. So when I see money, resources and people being diverted into what appear to be personal vanity projects, branding and corporate Christianity, I weep, am angry and cry out to the Lord. Googling information about his ministry will provide a number of discussions of his content. One other thing is that success can get to ones head. Very pleased with the approval of an $800,000 settlement and total win for my clients, @johnmacarthur and @GraceComChurch, on behalf of @ThomasMoreSoc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3BN1lStbIw. We stray from scripture at out peril: http://www.whatisthegospel.org.uk. (I always smile when you deploy the tu quoque argument and even, on this occasion, ego quoque Is this success? rm. 2) I challenge you to provide some evidence for that statement and question whether you were just against mega churches per se. As for Southern Baptists liking Donald Trump, its almost as bad as you liking Scottish Nationalism. You said he was a great example, I urged caution and pointed to a recent event where he and his church had attracted adverse publicity because of how they handled a particular incident. So for me this is not about petty jealousies, nor anti-Americanisms, nor cheap shots at other peoples foibles in order to make me feel better. This is another attempt to pick a fight with another straw man. One expression of faith creates refugees; the other resettles them. Haters will hate This is a classic example of 1 Timothy 5:13 My main problem about the teaching is that it seems to be so man/woman centred. The Amazon website only has E S Williams book on sale as 30:08.! http://thewartburgwatch.com/?s=Matt+chandler&x=0&y=0 Whether this ministry attracted 2 or 2 million is irrelevant the ministry is identified simply by its content as false and shunned. I d not think there is any man alive especially a young man who could cope with this degree of adulation and not have his head explode with pride. JOHN: When you go out the door, there's one for each of you. Elevation began as a Southern Baptist church in Charlotte, North Carolina in 2006. ck. Im sure with a church of such a size these issues are found amongst some, and appropriate discipline and loving correction are needed. Earlier this year his church was embroiled in a scandal over their handling of a child sexual abuse case. He has remarked that "[t]he Charismatic movement has stolen the Holy Spirit and created a golden calf, and they're dancing around the golden calf as if it were the Holy Spirit. Los Angeles County sued the church over its refusal to close down, and the church counter-sued, claiming that the County was violating rights to freedom of religion. Purpose doesnt have a parking spot is no substitute for many are the plans in a mans heart but it is the Lords purpose that prevails. [39], For example, with respect to sexual orientation, he asserted that "no one is gay" as "God didn't hardwire anybody"[40] to be gay any more than he "hardwires" individuals to be adulterers or bank robbers. But in this instance let me assure you I am not mocking. [20] The event featured a number of speakers who argued for cessationist theology and strongly critiqued the Charismatic Movement. Not on Amazon it aint! The screenshot below is from page 4 of Elevation Church's helpful Spontaneous Baptism How To Guide. You then go to the other extreme and say that I am lumping every mega church together. 3) Its not Furtick who will save the world from hate, crime, drugs etc. They make their workers and volunteers sign a confidentiality arrangement that they will not disclose anything about the finances of the church, or they will be sued. 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