Lather, Rinse, Repeat, Lather, Rinse, Repeat, Lather, Rinse, Repeat, Pingback: Some Thoughts on Supposedly Feminist Men Who Reportedly Abuse/Harass Women | futuristguy. She uses grooming quite cleverly. I think Hybels and Billy Graham lost their beliefs somewhere along the way maybe they never really had them. I get Im not welcome here. When will people get it that the church is not the same thing as the body of Christ. It isnt even that hard. Bill was born on March 1, 1948 to Dr. Joseph and Evelyn LaBarre. Such a horror of more revictimization. LOL. For you cross land and sea to make a single convert, only to turn him into twice the Child of Hell as yourselves! Sadly, I feel confident that this has not infrequently been engineered by the profiteers running these circus-show churches. Its a very reasonable step for Mr Hybels publishers to at least suspend his books until a more independent investigation has been completed. @ okrapod: Hybels appears to be trying to fade off into the sunset now. Every dept, every spin off ministry, with line item salaries. People you work with? It may not be what everyone wants, even if it is innocent. Or perhaps some women get hugged one way or the other disproportionately for one reason or the other and therefore complain or not about hugging-ness. We would often rent out suites in hotels when there were medical conferences/ conventions going on. not even then 4 years.?? And Jesus does not need Willow Creek. Because his REAL Personal LORD and Savior (PASTOR Hybels) is getting Blasphemed. It never appeared that they were the type of people that would not speak up. Then I started questioning that after quite a few! Theres something to these accounts. Time will tell whether WC was following Christ or Hybels. People not in the mega inner circle world dont understand it. Sigh. You make a valid point, ishy. Are you saying that God is insufficient in this situation? Once again, that is left in the capable Hands of our Father. 2. You think you know yet you dont. Jesus was a grand act to follow, and the disciples did it right. That ill advised letter by Jodi is one example. @ Julie: Having Church in your club title does not necessarily mean it is the Bride of Christ. Edit (Because it was awkward to say no and why would I think a great man of God I had known for so long would be creepy.) His wife had died rapidly of inflammatory breast cancer and we were at the funeral home for visitation. @ dee: It can be such a power deal included in lots of other power moves by the evil ones well regarded in church. Has anyone complained about inappropriate behavior from John Ortberg? Obviously very biblically ignorant site!! And yes I tend to paint with a broad brush because the structures and systems involved demand it. Who are we to say which it is when somebody lances a boil and the pus drains out; but to continue the analogy the boil existed before the surgeons knife got anywhere near it. Publishing is a major part of a celebritys platform. Thanks, Futurist Guy. You expect typical bad rock star behavior, more likely, because thats the norm. Everyone who is still there from the elders to the lowliest either thinks like this or doesnt dare open their mouth. He didnt want to stop and I have some doubts that he took it when all this stuff happened. As it has been stated in widening circles of social media, under these circumstances (such as: improper investigation, witness discounting/tampering/intemadation, and most important lack of following scriptural guidelines) the Willow Creek 501(c)3 church organization by many credible voices has been deemed/proscribed as no longer a(n) safe or scriptural place to attend or be a part of. He may or may not have been directly abusing his own wife, but he surely was abusing the women in his church who he targeted. The contents might be encrypted, and, if a key used to decrypt them is lost (or not handed over), they arent readable. Thats the thing; note the commonality of the golden parachute disembarking in these cases. Mary, I am going to assume that you have not been well taught on the subject of judgement. This is exactly what you would expect from some Neo-pharisee trying to hide his sin from the world. Read Paul on Mars hill. We still do not know what that really means. Theres much interesting reading on the Donald MacLeod thread, including this 1988 quote posted Thursday by Malcolm, from Mr James Fraser: his response failed to allay my fears that there was some truth in the allegations. This is part of the problem that the #metoo movement does not address. In this day and age, no one wants to get their name caught in the tangled web. I leave all matters of *who is and who is not a real Christian* In the capable hands of the One who has a higher pay grade. Why the need to put pastors in a special untouchable category? This leads those who might otherwise speak up about inappropriate behavior to not cast the first stone. I would thank that their legal counsel would have ensured that documents (including emails) from all board members, staff, and other employees would need to be preserved, in case of legal/criminal issues arising. I do, however, see how the dastardly could try and use the physical emotional responses to size up or groom a potential victim. Im thankful they embraced egalitarianism and led the way with women in leadership. I pray every day for you-know-who to be able to find a way out of teaching which did not result in poverty. Is that structure really the best way to know Christ? @ JB: I think its more common than any of us think. Everyone who is still there from the elders to the lowliest either thinks like this or doesnt dare open their mouth. We NEED a full and unbiased accounting. One-World ANYTHING is a recognition signal for End Time Prophecy Wack Job. I believe her account. I know this sounds harsh but its notbecause I am guilty, too. I grew up around some. My bad for not being back in touch with you. And with Invocation of GAWD subbing for the Ludes and Roofies. In response to that question: Was Hybels leading folks to Christ or to Hybels? The next morning, Bill and I were the first ones at breakfast in the hotel. Now, if we mean that believers at Willow Creek (or outside of it) will grapple with Mr Hybels and the Elders sins in these matters as they themselves become more sanctified, I can see that perspective. Enough has been said about BH for him to be disqualified in my book, and given how Williow Creek model was push on much of christainity, we are all well within the commands of the NT to exhibit judgement and wisdom if want, we can start playing the verse naming game if you wish. Not even the great prophets got such responses. @ Julie: Glory to God. I never saw a cross hanging in Willow nor heard a pastor speak out against gay marriage, women pastors or the slaughter of the Palestinians, etc . This caliber of leaders dont just stay quiet. He also told them this parable: Can the blind lead the blind? Listen to yourself, Brad! 3434 pant, right? But at church with people you see week after week? Years ago, as a 23 yr. old a classroom assistant for a public high school in southern cali my boss wisely told me 1. Is this a ruse to further that idea? Should I be worried? Missionary Man Only those who walk in darkness need to hide what they are doing. Brad Brucker: Got any other people of substance who would vouch for you? This is about strange behavior which was tolerated because one guy knew how to build a church and bring in money. Try as I might, I do not see that sort of response in ScriptureDo not be the disciple with the sword. They are in denial. Thus, the cottage industry that often accompanies or is an integral part of their ministry (sic) glides on, and the supposed spiritual.authority who is moving on is positioned to escape consequences and true rebuke. Ever thought of switching to WordPress? I appreciate my bosses wisdom. The existence of an impartial documented history of 2 years worth of 1150 emails between Bill and the other woman is stark corroboration. Its up to the Willow Creek to distinguish themselves and so far, based on the comments here, they have not. memory loss, mental/mood/behavior changes (such as new or worsening depression, abnormal thoughts, thoughts of suicide, hallucinations, confusion, agitation, aggressive behavior, or anxiety).. That ambien thing sounds like plausible deniability, doesnt it? As it says in the bible, Who are we to judge? Good Lord! Perhaps after a time. @ Deborah: STOP TAKING THE STUFF! The Elders reviewed none for content. We were in each others homes all the time. Wailing Wall-Satanic Ritual? I think you have to either ask, as okrapod mentioned, or kind of read the room. Do you want to know about Bill Hybels. To fellowship with other believers? And then maybe they see it happening, confront the guy, he says understood and suddenly you and your husband are out of a job. Get that through your heads. What do you think that Rabbi from Tarsus meant when he wrote For Satan himself can transform himself to appear as an Angel of Light? Put it in context and think about such a convo. This was shortly after a truly awful Christianese Youth Group rap number (GANGSTAAAAAA!!!! No one. He told me he had taken Ambien. Dee, I was wondering how you got him to do that gig. Uh oh..then we are in trouble. The church is doing fine. Right. Because you put so much trust and admire a leader like Hybels, your first instinct is to dismiss anything off about them. 8 comments. No wonder you have no qualms about slamming the Church, the bride of Christ. I dont think the view of hell is really the issue for the church leaders highlighted here. We could apply those words to the most recent statement by Mr Hybels. The only thing you can blame other people for is making his deception known. https://www.amazon.com/Corporate-Cults-Insidious-All-Consuming-Organization/dp/0814404936. It occurred shortly after she had divorced her first husband. My husband was so proud that he got to met the Bill Hybels and was so happy that he got to talk to him and have his picture taken with Bill Hybels. Its amazing how many believers will interpret the metaphor of fruit differently, for example. Really? The invitation to the first Family Meeting stated in the first paragraph that this group wanted to damage the church and the senior pastor! And Im 49, a loudmouth, professionally trained in safeguarding& so on. And whistleblowers are rarely the pristine good guys with no baggage. I too believed that what I experienced was an aberration and couldnt be attributed to a person of such spiritual stature. Hybels told her he had taken Ambien to give himself an excuse for not remembering all the wrongs he had done and said to her that night in his room. Does Bill Hybels teach pastors how to get more friendly with his staff, but keep it under raps? It is clear to me that God did not want this hidden any longer. The exact same mind control tools create social justice Warrior Churches as are used to create mega seeker churches or the monolithic SBC franchise. . I pity you if thats the case. Just Disgraceful. Dee and Jack know so little. So your mind overrides your gut. Kick out the immoral/abusive pastors. This is not Christianity. Thank goodness at least that at church when we pass the peace we literally clasp a hand briefly and say peace (literally that) and this is the entire procedure. Ive learned how to see the tactics of abusers because Ive been listening to the victims of domestic abuse for years, am a survivor of CSA and DV and spiritual abuse myself plus Ive read many of the statements which perps make when their sins are called out and exposed. Hybels is the founding and former senior pastor of the Willow Creek Community Church located in South Barrington, Illinois. Position? So I hugged him. One has nothing to do with the other. 1. @ dee: You 2 probably believe Jesus was Jewish as well as all the disciples. I come from a family of Russian immigrants on my fathers side. not for this long. Dont confuse the two. Tyndale House Publishers is suspending publication of a forthcoming new book from Bill Hybels, and InterVarsity Press is suspending reprint of one of his books. They wouldnt have been good enough speakers. But, I seriously doubt your using scripture as a club will shame, convince or condemn many here. Ive no doubt that there was irregularities going on at WCC. @ Dee Parsons: This is a crucial part of dealing with horrors of abuse. Narcissistic, abusive leaders are masterful manipulators, and even the most intelligent, cynical, questioning people can be taken under their spell without knowing it has happened. And actually, it was the Holy Spirit that empowered Peter to be so bold that made it happen. Glad I found that out. Im thinking of 2 comments right now from over a year ago in which you reposted comments you attempted to post elsewhere. But If you make a big deal about nothing, you are the problem. And its worse for Christian rocks stars, because nobody spiritualizes your regular rock band, and expects them to be perfect. Conferences in exotic locales, entitlement, accolades, a volunteer workforce that actually gives you 10% of their earnings. The principles are sound, thoughwell enough to be applied to anyone's marriage, especially those looking to place God in the middle. Its the whole structure of the godly pastor on stage week after week. Yet, if this person is free to say what was done by J Ortberg and offer her (non-intimidated, threatened) perspective on it, how can she conflate that with others coming forward to offer a perspective on their experience? Maybe its part of why why didnt your husband DO *something* (what? These people are the living proof. Is there love afte. So done. My bad. Sorta like erasing emails? Im unclear about what faith journey means, but it sounds very Willow Creek. Status? In the last few months as this media storm has rained down confusion and . He told me to sit down and put my feet up. I wonder when the above reproach inspectors will engage and be welcome with open arms; they may want to hurry, as its reached the secular media, and theyre not too focused on 1 Peter 4:8. Abuse works on the good-hearted the ones who are trying to give others the benefit of the doubt, questioning their own discernment, seeking to extend charity. when Bill Hybels prayed for/about something no matter what it was, that according to Hybels God always answered him immediately or within days, Indeed, the Lords hand is not too short to save, and His ear is not too deaf to hear. By . So, it is imperative to preserve discoverables especially as the destruction or withholding of them may mean the court can interpret that act as consciousness of guilt and therefore assume that the evidence went against the case of spoliators. I do not buy Hybels IT excuse for one second. Sounds more like damage control. Willow Creek has run many many seminars teaching other churches how to impliment the Williow Creek model. Ok. Here you will get Bill Hybels's net worth, weight, height net worth, girlfriend, educational qualification and complete bio. I sat on a committee for two years which did nothing but brainstorm ways to increase retention rates and decrease progression time through our programsour biggest nightmare was the student who didnt get connected to some group, we knew they were likely to get lonely, drop out, go back to their hometown and become a settled-in townie. God is always present, even in the hard and dark times. But friends I hug more frequently, family, etc. If you all think that personal shopping is sex abuse, you need to get real. Nancy Ortberg remains affiliated as a board member and husband John Ortberg a prolific speaker, author and leader continues to return to be a guest speaker at Willow Creek for several years after they left Willow Creek? I mean, one post here put Hybels name next to Weinstiens. Dee is correct with respect to Hotel rooms. By the time you get there, youve probably already been compromised yourself, youve supported a lot of evil things, youve shouted down others who were only trying to get at the truth (as I once did, alassorry, Adam, you were right and I was wrong, pastor really was up to no good), and its not easy to extricate yourself or your family. Our job is to sow seeds. The Buckner Show has been cancelled; we now return this time slot to the regularly-scheduled Wartburg Watch.. I want to express my gratitude to Nancy for coming forward. Bill Hybels opens his eyes at dawn, rolls out of bed and lands on his knees. This is MBA stuff. Stop the Nonsense, WCC Trebuchet Club!!!! I think they all have the same m.o. YOU CANT PROVE A THING!!!!!. Thanks for the info. I hope that you are correct that what was stated by Jodi Walle is not true. Is it that tough for you to give Bill Hybels any redeeming value? Or suddenly you find out 2-3 (and later 7 or more) women have had similar experiences. he is still a . He describes how the skilled offender plans the way he will abuse the woman from day one. Hybels chief goal seems to have been to get his sexual needs met without negotiation. Since you are well versed, go back to Jesus in the Garden the night he was betrayed. Willow Creek / Bill Hybels had IT powered by the Ambien Operating System. Those are, in my opinion, less the goals than the tools used to achieve the real goals, which I am guessing are not the spiritual health of the Body of Christ. Huge. This is MBA stuff. That statement should never have been sent out and hasnt been corrected to this day! And yes, I cuddled our dog as a little girl. In that planning he can do and say things prior to the offence which will give him a get out of jail free card later if his offence gets exposed or the target woman overtly resists his abuse. Two general statements: Dear TWW readers, I am in Australia so I comment and tweet and post things on FB when you are asleep if you are in the USA. The focus was wrong and a bit too emphatic for me. Shauna Niequist has apologised for failing to speak up after her father, Bill Hybels, was accused of sexual misconduct. Read reviews from world's largest community for readers. What I count is as follows: Jesus Christ is the assessory. I would love TWW to enable me to get email notification of new posts and new comments on a thread I have commented on. We werent leaders, but we can tell you re: Stowell and many others that they leave and say nothing or little to protect their own reputations and future work in ministry. Mahaney books. It is also understandable why John and Nancy Ortbergs relationship with the Hybels took a nosedive. Every believer has a unique calling. Please bear with me. The statement was wrong in every way and since there is a great possibility that the group is very concerned and just seeking truth. Activism. Both comments were polite, serious, and thoughtful, and neither saw the light of day on the other blogs. Thank you for sharing your analysis of this! My bad for not being back in touch with you. A few years ago, I posted The Aurora byTerjeSorgjerd. She no longer attended church (for at least a year) and she no longer trusted Jesus. Bill Hybels stepped down. Ever. Now the manipulation continues as the abused who have raised their voices are abused yet again. Worshipers of men. 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